Oh and by the way, although Colorbox chalk pads are not specifically
marketed as either pigment or dye inks, for assignment in my art
class, I was required to classify all of my inks, and verified with
the manufacturer that the chalk ink pads are considered to be
pigment. After all, you can't trust everything you read on the
Internet.
SpringChick
--- In letterbox-usa@yahoogroups.com, "Deb" wrote:
> Yeh uhm, okay... apparently my art instructor is all mixed up and
> has no idea what she is talking about when it comes to inks.
Perhaps
> I could direct her to you?
>
> SpringChick
>
>
> --- In letterbox-usa@yahoogroups.com, "cruzintrailsblistrdfeet2"
> wrote:
> > ~ Uhm . . . sorry but Colorbox CHALK pads, in the words of the
> > manufacturer:
> >
> > "ColorBox Fluid CHALK inks share the resilience of pigment
ink
> > but stamp and blend like dye ink, drying quickly on absorbent
> > surfaces. Permanent when heat set, they resist smearing,
bleeding
> or
> > fading even when air dried."
> >
> > This is straight from the manufacturer, can't find where the CHALK
> > formula claims to be pigment only -- or even pigment partly!
Maybe
> it
> > is, but the manufacturer does not claim it to be so.
> >
> > ~ The Cat's Eye pads are very nice indeed, they are however not
> > restricted to the pigment formula since they are also offered in
the
> > Colorbox CHALK formula.
> >
> > ~ As far as the ColorBox pigment pads not being permanent without
> the
> > use of a heat gun, test for yourself by moistening a finger then
rub
> > it across an impression that has air dried. Mine didn't smear,
and
> > that is permanent enough for me when making stamp impressions.
> >
> > ~ Really, any ink pad makes a mess when wet, that's why baggies
were
> > invented, to contain the mess. The worst trick to be played on a
> > fellow boxer tho, is putting an Ink-It-Up stamp pad in a box.
Those
> > things are the cheapest, cruddiest, crappiest inkpads made, filled
> > with low quality ink that beads up on the stamp leaving a pitiful
> > impression. That's the best reason to always pack your own
> supply.
> >
> >
> > ~ Oh, just to correct the record . . . pigment is what gives
color
> to
> > the ink. Pigment can be natural or man made, but regardless of
its
> > origin, for our purposes it is a finely ground substance
suspended
> in
> > a liquid. The vehicle used to suspend the pigment is what
> determines
> > its use and function.
> >
> > The common names printed on inkpads: "Pigment" and "Dye"
serve
> to
> > identify the different suspension formulas used and how the ink
> works
> > when used. I think this is what caused your confusion and is an
> easy
> > mistake to make. If you wish to further educate yourself on the
> > subject, a good place to start would be your local library's
> reference
> > books on painting and printmaking.
> >
> > ~ Oh, another record to correct . . . the ink used in
both "Pigment"
> > and "Dye" inkpads are water based and do indeed mix. Not
> convinced?
> > Try it, press a stamp on a "Pigment" inkpad then on a "Dye" pad
then
> > make an impression on paper. See, they do mix.
> >
> > ~blisterdfeet
> >
> >
> >
> > --- In letterbox-usa@yahoogroups.com, "Deb"
> wrote:
> > > Uhm... sorry but Colorbox chalk pads, including the cute litte
> Cat's
> > > Eye pads, are all pigment ink. Furthermore, they are not
> considered
> > > to be permanent unless heat-set. Don't know about anyone else,
> but I
> > > don't carry a heat gun when letterboxing.
> > >
> > > Still, the Cat's Eye pads are nice for boxes not only because
of
> > > their convenient size, but also because even though it is water-
> > > based, the chalk ink doesn't seem to make such a slimy mess if
it
> > > gets wet inside the box.
> > >
> > > Oh, and just for the record... an ink is either dye or pigment -
-
> > > based on the ink. You cannot change it from dye to pigment
based
> on
> > > the binder you use (i.e. glycerine) -- it is still dye-based
ink.
> > >
> > > SpringChick
> > >
> > >
> > > --- In letterbox-usa@yahoogroups.com, "enders_angel_80"
> > > wrote:
> > > > --- In letterbox-usa@yahoogroups.com, "Alafair"
> wrote:
> > > >
> > > > > All Colorbox pads are pigment based so take much longer to
> dry
> > > and
> > > > > can be a messy choice for placing in a letterbox.
> > > >
> > > > uhm... no they're not. Colorbox makes more than one type of
> stamp
> > > > pad and not all of them are pigment based.
> > > >
> > > > My current particular favorite stamp pads are the Colorbox
> CHALK
> > > > ones. They are DYE based, not pigment so they dry fast. The
> colors
> > > > are fantastic, every single one of the pads are juicy not dry
> at
> > > all
> > > > plus they come in both the standard size and those wonderful
> small
> > > > cats eye size that are so good for when your out hiking.
> > > >
> > > > actually, we use all kinds of stamp pads and markers cuz I'm
> into
> > > > rubber stamp art and scrapbooking so I already have lots of
> them
> > > > around. Repeat after me: re-inkers are your friend! lol
> > > >
> > > > if you don't have a re-inker and your stamp pad is dry you
can
> > > bring
> > > > it back to life by using a 50-50 mix of water and glycerine
> that
> > > you
> > > > apply like you would a re-inker. glycerine is cheap at the
> > > pharmacy!
> > > > This will turn your dye pad into something halfway like a
> pigment
> > > > pad though so it may take a little longer to dry when you do
> stamp
> > > > it so dont close your logbook right away or you might get
> smearing.
> > > >
> > > > As for the markers I use, I like the Marvy brand brush
markers.
> > > They
> > > > stay wet longer than most others, they last forever and come
in
> > > > packs that you can use the 40% off coupon for at Michaels.
> > > >
> > > > Using markers: stamp a trial image on the stamp so you know
> what it
> > > > looks like then color directly on the stamp putting the
colors
> you
> > > > want in the areas you want, then hold the stamp near your
mouth
> and
> > > > HUFF on it to use your warm breath to moisten the dye based
> marker
> > > > colors, like you'd do to clean your sunglasses, then stamp
the
> > > image
> > > > in your logbook. Sometimes you can get more than one image
> before
> > > > having to re-color the stamp with markers.
> > > >
> > > > Enders Angel
> > > > glad to have an art teaching mom!